Talk:Main Page

Somebody else has this problem?
I use Opera to browse Internet, and for some reason when I try to add a link tI can't do it. After I type the captcha gives a 404 error. I have put it here because I didn't know where else put it.
 * It's been so long since I've had to use the captchas that I don't know how they work any more. Can you replicate the error in your sandbox? --Robkelk (talk) 13:57, 8 April 2015 (BST)

Upload file option missing in the side bar?
Uploaded a file 2 days ago, after my rights were changed, but now the upload option is not available in the side bar; anything changed?? --Glaseye (talk) 16:29, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
 * One of the Miraheze System Administrators here: To prevent data loss during server maintenance, I intentionally disabled uploads. That maintenance is over since a few hours, so you can upload again. Southparkfan (talk) 21:40, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

Direct links to zipped files?
I recently found that some downloads of Muskateer Graphics (mostly second skin superhero textures for V3/M3) have been preserved in the web archive. Unfortunately the site never had individual pages for each download, only a general index. Should I add a link to the index, or direct links to the sipped files? The same goes, for anything similar that I may find later. --AntonioCC (talk) 09:01, 26 August 2016 (UTC)


 * As long as people can reach the downloads, either way works. For examples, see Freebies hosted at 3DTrue (where the Wayback Machine links are to the index pages) and Freebies by Ness Period Reproductions (where the Wayback Machine links are directly to the zip files). My personal preference - not wiki policy - is to link straight to the zip. --Robkelk (talk) 13:07, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

Okay, thanks.--AntonioCC (talk) 15:06, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

Risky, nudity, sexual content pages (POLICY DECISION MADE)
What is the policy towards pages with pictures that contain nudity/are risky? There is a lot of Chibibel and Belbel content here: http://kedama.sakura.ne.jp/freebie/Index.htm ... --Kerya (talk) 20 September 2016
 * Oh, yes - that site. When I was posting the ChibiBel list to the Daz3D forums, Chohole and I agreed to pretend that we just didn't notice it... but that isn't going to work on a wiki that anybody can edit.
 * We have some rules about making our own images, listed at Category:Page Needing Image. "No sexualization of minors" is the applicable one here. I think that we should be consistent.
 * Can we link directly to the downloads, or would that mean people don't see the license for the freebies? --Robkelk (talk) 12:12, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately there is no Readme included in the zips - so direct links would not see the licenses ... --Kerya (talk) 21 September 2016
 * Well, most of all I would go for a better safe then sorry option. Personally, I get the impression that some japanese(?) sites have content that can be questionable by european standards, or maybe even european law.... (Don't know about the law, 'standards' are of course a very subjective/personal matter). But in general, if anything can be looked upon as sexualization of minors, regardless if it is a fantasy character or not, I would say no links to the image/sitepage and the content..... Also better no links to the more 'suggestive' images. So that may mean if a direct download link is not possible, it would be best to not mention it at all...--Glaseye (talk) 19:45, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Japanese sites, yes - there's a vastly different mindset in Japan with regard to seeing this sort of thing. I'm told that it's because of the post-WWII constitution imposed on the country by the Allies. The Japanese take the "freedom of speech" part of the constitution very seriously. (If parents don't want their children seeing something, they don't show it to their children.) In the Western world, we accept some limits on freedom of expression.
 * The law in Canada is clear in one respect: if the images on that site were on this wiki, I could go to jail. it is less clear whether making available the resources to create those images is against the law. As for mentioning that the resources exist and saying where they can be found ... I don't know.
 * I'm inclined to agree with Glaseye. --Robkelk (talk) 23:17, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
 * No problem - no links to pages with "no sexualization of minors. What about simple nudity of grownups? Could we get a sign like the direct download or paid for content? Maybe NSFW https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_Safe_for_Work --Kerya (talk) 25 September 2016
 * That's easy enough, and it's already on my "to be done" list. --Robkelk (talk) 12:36, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

An icon like this??? Http://home.caiway.nl/~wedge/afbeeldingen2/NSFW.png Got a bigger version that can be scaled down if needed it his one is usable, but too small.... --Glaseye (talk) 23:14, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
 * That's a good icon for European work, but North American signs are different. --Robkelk (talk) 15:51, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

POLICY DECISION: We will not be listing anything from this website. I have asked our wiki host to add the URL to the "blocked sites" list - see https://phabricator.miraheze.org/T861 for details. --Robkelk (talk) 16:09, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Maybe delete the link (text) from this discussion page as well??
 * As to the icon, I see your point... Do you still need an icon? (got another one that I think is more international, based on the 'stop' sign) http://home.caiway.nl/~wedge/afbeeldingen2/NSFW-klein.png
 * Or do you already have something better? --Glaseye (talk) 16:54, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm still thinking about that. We can use stop-sign logo for now, and replace it if we come up with something better. --Robkelk (talk) 13:21, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

Could somebody who does not have administrator rights try to add that link to a page here, please? --Robkelk (talk) 13:21, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I could add that link to the Limited Time freebie page (going fast section), and it worked. removed it again. If you want me to try again (not deleting the link) just say so.. --Glaseye (talk) 13:52, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
 * As for the stop sign logo, should I upload it? --Glaseye (talk) 13:54, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I can see the blacklist, the link as visible there (to me) is not a working link, but not that difficult to determin what the real link is.... --Glaseye (talk) 14:05, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Repeating what I said before the wiki crashed... I'm still thinking about what might work as a good logo. Sure, upload the NSFW icon - we can change it if we come up with something better. --Robkelk (talk) 22:43, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Done [[File:NSFW.png]] --Glaseye (talk) 16:06, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Still working on the blacklist?? --Glaseye (talk) 16:09, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
 * That's on hold until the other wiki problems are sorted out. --Robkelk (talk) 13:12, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

Input wanted, please. Which image is better, Glaseye's stop-sign or this one that I finally had time to make? --Robkelk (talk) 01:22, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I think Glaseye's image is a clear comment on what will happen if you click on the link but your image is just to darn cute. Anyway you could incorporate the two? Get both the cuteness and the danger sign? --Dollygirl (talk) 12:37, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
 * It took me a while to make a decision. (Granted, nobody was pushing me to decide... but I still should have decided earlier that I did.) Glaseye's image is the icon, while my image is on the description page. --Robkelk (talk) 01:59, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

New "welcome" page - please add to it if you have time
We have a new page, intended for new editors: Notes for new editors. It's still a work in progress, which is why I haven't linked to it from the Main Page yet.

Some parts say "THIS NEEDS AN ANSWER" - if you have an answer, feel free to add it.

If I missed a question, feel free to add it.

--Robkelk (talk) 19:43, 23 October 2016 (UTC)


 * I'm afraid I'm not really useful for this... guess I'm one of those person that not always do things the way they should be done, but doing it the way they can be done (by me LoL).. --Glaseye (talk) 23:10, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

You used to have a sample page for a new page where did it go? --Dollygirl (talk) 04:00, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
 * https://poserdazfreebies.miraheze.org/wiki/Forum/Page_Templates --Kerya (talk) 01 November 2016

Links to download pages?
I mean links to pages like mega or mediafire. I recently found that somebody had mirrored the old JamesJAB V4 Asari headpiece on mediafire, and I wanted to know if there is a problem to link it here. Thank you. AntonioCC (talk) 16:59, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
 * As long as it's a legal download, the host doesn't matter. (I'm not happy about how MediaFire doesn't allow saving in the Wayback Machine, but that has nothing to do with this wiki.) --Robkelk (talk) 18:45, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks.AntonioCC (talk) 18:47, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

What to do with a freebie that is under two different names?
Esample: https://poserdazfreebies.miraheze.org/wiki/Hunter_Medallion_for_Genesis_3_Male_and_Female is under Wolf Medallion for Daz Genesis3 Freebie here: https://kayleyss.deviantart.com/art/Wolf-Medallion-for-Daz-Genesis3-Freebie-641321906 Is there something like a cross reference? --Kerya (talk) 23 March 2017
 * Yes, it's called a "redirect". Pick one name for the page that describes the freebie and make that page normally. Make a second page with the second name and put only the redirect code on that page.
 * Since we already have the page "Hunter Medallion for Genesis 3 Male and Female", the page "Wolf Medallion for Daz Genesis3 Freebie" would say only . It's very important that the word REDIRECT be in all capital letters and preceded by a #
 * --Robkelk (talk) 12:59, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you! --Kerya (talk) 24 March 2017

Does somebody feel like creating a page for a new figure?
Project Evolution Early Edition https://www.cgbytes.com/store/sku/58313_Project-Evolution-Early-Edition I added the free Demo version to the free figures page, but I don't know whether the free stuff that is showing up on sharecg and Renderosity works on that one. --Kerya (talk) 10 January 2018
 * Here you go: Project Evolution Early Edition. I added a big note about where to find the free version, and how it isn't suitable for renders. --Robkelk (talk) 20:04, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
 * THANK YOU! It is easier to track freestuff for a new figure when the page is here. --Kerya (talk) 14 January 2018

Login oddity
Does somebody else get a window with a text like this after logging in? " https://wiki.lspdfr.de verlangt einen Benutzernamen und ein Passwort. WARNUNG: Das Passwort wird an eine andere Website als die derzeit geöffnete gesendet!" Translation: " https://wiki.lspdfr.de requires a username and a password. WARNING: The password will be sent to another Website than the one currently opened!" Obviously I am NOT giving them my username and password, just clicking the window shut. But it is disconcerting. --Kerya (talk) 28 January 2018
 * I don't get a window like that, no.
 * wiki.lspdfr.de appears to be a wiki for a mod to the game GTA 5. That is not something that I would add to the wiki, and the two of us are the only ones with the rights to add anything like that to the wiki. You might want to run an anti-virus scan, or check whether your browser has any new extensions that you don't remember installing. --Robkelk (talk) 14:57, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the information - I am going to search. --Kerya (talk) 29 January 2018
 * Update - it looks like it is one of the wikis on Miraheze. When I log out here, I get a page with "Logging you out from other wikis of Miraheze". wiki.lspdfr.de is one of them. Usually I don't log out, which is why I never saw that page. I just close my browser, which is set to clear cache and cookies when closing it. --Kerya (talk) 29 January 2018
 * Good to hear that this wasn't a security problem. --Robkelk (talk) 13:09, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

Well, I just got that window also when logging in. Maybe not a security thing, but then probably a miraheze thing...... Whatever it may be, it doesn't look like something that should happen.. --Glaseye (talk) 13:43, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I'll look into it. --Robkelk (talk) 13:51, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
 * just for info, when I just logged out, I did get that LOGIN window again, not a notification like Kerya that said logging out from.... --Glaseye (talk) 13:59, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I do get that login window too when logging out - and a Miraheze page that tells me about logging me out from other wikis, complete with some flowers in little squares. Question to Glaseye: are you European too? --Kerya (talk) 30 January 2018
 * Yep, dutch guy (IIRC that more or less makes me your neighbour to the west..... )--Glaseye (talk) 18:51, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Now i did get those 'flower' icons as well, with some site references - like lspdfr - in between those icons. Then trying to login again, all got a little wonky. (probably due to what miraheze notes that the site may not recognize directly that one is logged out, and otherwise maybe the combo of settings I use in FF with ScriptSafe...--Glaseye (talk) 19:09, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
 * The lspdfr login is gone. --Kerya (talk) 06 February 2018

Any way to transclude page text?
I really miss this and hope the shortcut is just different. Agentunawares (talk) 20:40, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
 * That depends on what you want to transclude. I've been using templates to transclude license information from the big sites (DAZ3D, Rero, ShareCG, etc), but we have to write a template for each block of text. --Robkelk (talk) 23:30, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Need help placing these two
I think both of these are Cosplay, but I can't place them. And no, this is not an April joke. ;o)
 * Props
 * https://www.sharecg.com/v/90938/browse/11/Poser/Props
 * https://www.sharecg.com/v/90938/browse/11/Poser/Props


 * Props
 * https://www.sharecg.com/v/90940/
 * https://www.sharecg.com/v/90940/

--Kerya (talk) 01 April 2018


 * https://www.sharecg.com/v/90938/browse/11/Poser/Props is the Google Android android - he's now on the Robots page. I don't recognize the other one. --Robkelk (talk) 14:32, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm not impressed by Internetmoi's naming convention. Out of 65 downloads (I'm not including the Art or Video links in his gallery), 16 are named "props", seven are named "HAPPY HOLIDAYS", two are named "pz3", and two are named "Myster". With that naming convention, all 27 of these are mysteries. Here's an index page that I just put together of Internetmoi's downloads. --Robkelk (talk) 15:21, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Not impressed by his naming convention either - but some of his/her creations are singular. I am trying to add the "props" English names in the descriptions. Internetmoi is obviously French, which might be a reason for his/her reluctance to add more text in English. --Kerya (talk) 02 April 2018
 * Thanks, Kerya. As for the names, Chacornac gives his freebies French names... But I shouldn't be so negative. Internetmoi is making some good free resources available. --Robkelk (talk) 14:17, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Wardrobe or Weaponry?

 * Bomb Vest
 * https://www.sharecg.com/v/91011/

--Kerya (talk) 10 April 2018
 * Both. --Robkelk (talk) 13:02, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Do we want a forum?
Thanks to the two wikis sharing the same host ISP, any feature on All The Tropes can also be installed here.

Do we want the "Discussion board" feature? Here's what it looks like on All The Tropes.

Reasons to have it:
 * It would give us a place to have discussions that isn't my User Talk page.
 * It looks like a forum.
 * It would be a centralized place for people to read posts about freebies.

Reasons to not have it:
 * It would be yet another place for people to go read posts. Would people want to come here instead of continuing to use the DAZ3D freebie forum, the Fantasies Attic freebie forum, the HiveWire3D freebie forum, the Renderosity freebie forum, and so on?
 * It would mean more work for the mods.

--Robkelk (talk) 17:18, 13 May 2018 (UTC)


 * I am not up to another forum, not enough time. We can use this Main Page Talk page for discussions, I think. Just my opinion. --Kerya (talk) 14 May 2018


 * I asked because I want the feedback; no worries. My big concern is whether anybody is up to another forum..
 * Speaking of features - folks might notice some "Farmer Log" entries on the Recent Changes page. There's now a big list of features that I can turn on and off... but I don't know how long it takes for the changes to become effective. I've just turned on WikiLove; we'll see how long it is before we get hearts at the top of our User pages that we can click on to thank other editors. --Robkelk (talk) 14:11, 14 May 2018 (UTC)


 * I'm pondering whether to activate HTML Meta and Title, RandomSelection, RSS, or some combination of the three. (I know that at least one person uses the wiki as a "new freebies" notification service, so RSS might be useful. HTML Meta and Title is for my own convenience. RandomSelection is just for fun - we could feature a "random freebie of the minute"!) Does anyone have any opinions on these? --Robkelk (talk) 14:17, 14 May 2018 (UTC)


 * RSS sounds really useful. I am using the "recent changes" or, if I don't have that much time, my watchlist to see what's new. RandomSelection sounds like a fun feature. No opinion on HTML Meta and Title. As you know, I am mostly just adding the simplest "Title and Link" to the pages. Sorry for that. --Kerya (talk) 15 May 2018


 * I'm not going to activate HTML Meta and Title. We're already high up in search results as it is; we don't need the boost, and it would be a lot of work to keep the metadata up to date. --Robkelk (talk) 13:56, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

New Toy: "RandomSelection"
I've activated RandomSelection. We can now have a random choice from an existing list appear on a page.

It's very easy to use - just make a list of the options! For example, your random freebie for H.I.M. is Baskets for Him Buddhist Armour A Bunch Of Miscellaneous Positional Reset Poses Generic Smart+ And PropGoto+ H.I.M. Anubis H.I.M. Egyptian H.I.M. Shader Predator for H.I.M. Predator PosePack Sixus1 Him Business suit Templates: For HIM from Sixus .

--Robkelk (talk) 16:32, 13 June 2018 (UTC)


 * At least on my computer, it seems to like choosing the entries in the middle of the list. --Robkelk (talk) 16:39, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

The "Parser function" list style described on the documentation page doesn't work here. Use the "Tags" style only. --Robkelk (talk) 16:56, 13 June 2018 (UTC)


 * And I've come up with an actual use for this toy. Now, when you look at Victoria 4/Wardrobe, you'll see a random V4 dress image with a link to the page that describes the dress. (We have 31 pages with images for dresses for V4, so it seemed a good place to start.) --Robkelk (talk) 00:04, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

Interesting Problem: two items with the same name
There is an existing page for a character for V4 by Youniss Karin V4. Now Syltermermaid has created a new character for V4 - guess what's her name? ... Karin V4 https://www.renderosity.com/mod/freestuff/karin-v4/79639&ca What do I do now? --Kerya (talk) 23 June 2018
 * Add the creator's name in brackets to the end of the freebie name. For example: Simple hair (Garduna) is a different page from Simple Hair (Mark003). The existing page might as well keep it's current name, though - somebody might be linking to it. --Robkelk (talk) 15:23, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Done.--Kerya (talk) 24 June 2018

Image Creation Party!
I'm giving a $25 gift certificate to somebody on August 1. If you want your name to be on the list that I'll pick one name from at random, join in on the image creation party!

See here for details.

Please spread the word! --Robkelk (talk) 18:41, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the wiki, Thelufias and Faeryl Womyn! --Robkelk (talk) 01:53, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

Do we want to list this? (POLICY DECISION MADE)
While making pages for G8M freebies, I noticed "LIE Preset for Phx Gregory for Genesis 8 Male". (The link is currently on Genesis 8 Male/Materials and Shaders.) It's a free resource for a paid resource... but it's for a specific paid resource made by the maker of the free resource and cannot be used on any other resources.

I can't help but think this is a way for the maker of the paid resource to get a listing on free-resource sites. If not, why not simply update the paid resource?

This isn't the only time I've seen this sort of thing. Usually, it's a texture pack or refit for a paid wardrobe item, both released by the same person. A few of our pages of non-free resources list only free add-ons made by the creator who made the paid base items. This example is particularly egregious: five add-ons by the original resource creator, none by anyone else.

Is our goodwill being taken advantage of? Should we list these?

--Robkelk (talk) 16:30, 13 July 2018 (UTC)


 * I don't think this is done to get listed on free-resource sites - I think it is trying to entice people who are looking at Renderosity Freestuff to buy those clothes/characters. Some kind of advertising for themselves on the site where they are selling the stuff too. Karanta did that looooong before this wiki was started.


 * If you don't want them listed, we can remove those (it is kind of boring to do the copy paste for them anyway *grin*). --Kerya (talk) 14 July 2018


 * Additional "do we want to list this?" question: the three newest "PROPS" by Internetmoi have an additional remark "Ask me for the code here, I send it to you by email in your ShareCG account" - I don't want really to list these, because jumping through hoops to get the freebie? Not my thing. Kerya (talk) 07:42, 15 July 2018 (UTC)


 * That is annoying, but we do list the Most Digital Creations newsletter-only freebies. On the other hand, we already have over a dozen downloads named "PROPS" by Internetmoi listed in the wiki. --Robkelk (talk) 13:11, 15 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Not an easy thing to decide what's best. As to the example of the Gina dress, the fit morphs are listed in the 'Free Stuff' tab on the product page at rendo. To me, that just makes them an extension to the product, not a freebie as such. Most likely if you buy that product, you'll get an additional email from rendo pointing you to those freebies, making it even more an extension rather than a true freebie... --Glaseye (talk) 16:10, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I think you have a pretty good system here to identify the conditional freebies at least for the ones like fits and such. For the ones like Internetmoi has made, we can warn people that you have to contact the artist to get access to the freebies. Let the people that use the wiki decide if they want to go to the additional hassle. Technically most of our freebies need a paid item to use them in the manner that they were designed for. That said, I do agree that going through the extra actions to get something is a peta. As a historian though we should not be too judgmental about peoples motives. If the product itself does not require a money transaction then I say it belongs on this site. We just warn people there are other actions to get and use an item like we already have been doing.--Dollygirl (talk) 16:58, 15 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Dollygirl, you are again the voice of common sense. Yes, let's continue to list these. --Robkelk (talk) 19:56, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

We can now make copies of pages!
I've just activated the Duplicate extension, so we can now copy existing pages!

How to use it:
 * 1) Go to the page that you want to copy.
 * 2) Click on the "Duplicate this page" link, under "Tools" on the page's left-side menu.
 * 3) * The "Duplicate a page" page will load.
 * 4) On the "Duplicate a page", put the new page name in the "Destination" box, leave the checkboxes empty, and click on "Duplicate".
 * 5) * The "Duplicate a page" page will reload to tell you whether the copy succeeded.
 * 6) Assuming it worked, click on the link to the new page, and edit it normally.

I just duplicated Douglas DC-2 to make Piper Cub, so I know it works. I only needed to change a few things - that's much faster than making a page from scratch.

--Robkelk (talk) 17:55, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Copy, paste, modify, my preferred method sofar..... so this duplicate function will come in very handy.... --Glaseye (talk) 20:56, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Sounds great for all those "Pose standing, sitting, whatever number xxx" pages! Thank you! Kerya (talk) 04:38, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Works great! I just used it to create Pin Ups 108. Thank you! Kerya (talk) 07:53, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

New wiki tools and toys
I've turned on some more wiki extensions:
 * Duplicator - Lets people make a copy of a current page, as described above.
 * TwoColConflict - If two people edit the same page at the same time, this makes it easy to see what the second person to click on "save" needs to update again.
 * Sandbox Link - Everybody gets a separate place to play with wiki formatting! Switch yours on (or off) under "Gadgets" on your Preferences page.
 * CSS and Subpage Fun - to help resolve a couple of minor nagging issues that I suspect nobody else has noticed.

--Robkelk (talk) 18:25, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Now I have 2 sandbox links in my personal toolbar (IIRC, there was already a sandbox there before this change). Haven't changed any settings yet, so not sure if this works as it should... --Glaseye (talk) 21:02, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Likewise - it must be something we already had hiccuping with the new extension. Going into Preferences and turning one off under Gadgets brings that down to one link. --Robkelk (talk) 14:31, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Does "Public Domain" mean somethng different in Germany than it does in Canada?
The readme file in Poses for Terai Yuki TY2 says that the files are Public Domain. However, it goes on to list usage and distribution restrictions. In Canada, "Public Domain" means you give up all copyrights to the files, so either there shouldn't be any usage and distribution restrictions, or this isn't what my country's laws call Public Domain. Can somebody confirm the meaning of "Public Domain" in Germany, please? --Robkelk (talk) 18:17, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
 * German law is a bit different, we do have the "Urheberrecht" (author's rights), which can modify the Anglo-Saxon "Public Domain". So in Atomic-Knights case it is "no redistribution" and "Limited Use With Credits". Kerya (talk) 04:42, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Kerya. I've updated the description page. --Robkelk (talk) 13:54, 19 July 2018 (UTC)