User talk:Robkelk

New posts at the bottom of the page, please.

Wiki issues
Post any problems with creating or modifying pages or files here, please.

At the moment, I cannot upload an image - the error message I'm getting is Could not create directory "mwstore://local-backend/local-public/f/fc". I've created a support ticket for about this with Orain.

--Robkelk (talk) 22:30, 30 August 2014 (BST)


 * Image uploading has been fixed. --Robkelk (talk) 17:36, 31 August 2014 (BST)

-This is an issue again. I just got it while trying to upload an image for the Bong Ballet freebie.
 * Could not create directory "mwstore://local-backend/local-public/0/01".

--Wayii (talk) 8:32 EST PM 9 September 2014


 * Known error - it's affecting all the Orain wikis. All I can suggest is to have patience. --Robkelk (talk) 01:35, 10 September 2014 (BST)


 * Okay thanks. :)

--Wayii (talk) 8:35 EST PM 9 September 2014


 * Images are back! --Robkelk (talk) 23:05, 10 September 2014 (BST)
 * Heheheh! I noticed the moment they came back up...and immediately added the images I'd accrued for the work while the getting was good. Thank you.  =^_^=  --Wayii (talk)  8:27 PM 10 September 2014 (EST)


 * Problem trying to edit existing page Aina:
 * "This is a cached copy of the requested page, and may not be up to date.

Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties. Try waiting a few minutes and reloading. (Cannot contact the database server: No such file or directory)"

--Wayii (talk) 10:57AM PM 21 September 2014 (EST)

Go check the front page of ATT, check "Other Sites We Recommend"
I figure one good turn deserves another, and since you've helped out so much at ATT, I decided to give you guys a little exposure.

Hope it helps. ^_^ GethN7 (talk) 14:40, 11 September 2014 (BST)


 * Thanks! That was unexpected, and appreciated. --Robkelk (talk) 23:33, 11 September 2014 (BST)

Query About the Star Wars Resources Page
Is that one someone's special stomping ground or are others welcome to sweep in and add freebies to the listing so long as the format matches the established page order?

--Wayii (talk) 4:23 PM 20 September 2014 (EST)


 * Have at it - I just tossed a few items on there to start it off. All of the pages I started are fair game for everyone to update (unless I locked them for administrative reasons). --Robkelk (talk) 22:08, 20 September 2014 (BST)

Uploading Images
As of yesterday, when I try to upload an image I get this message:

Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties.

Try waiting a few minutes and reloading.

(Cannot contact the database server: No such file or directory) --Glaseye (talk) 14:42, 21 September 2014 (BST)

Orain is making an upgrade at the moment
We'll occasionally be getting some messages along the lines of:

Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties. Try waiting a few minutes and reloading.

Nothing I can do about it, please be patient. --Robkelk (talk) 19:40, 21 September 2014 (BST)


 * Update: Some server upgrades and some performance upgrades aren't playing well with each other. Both are necessary, and the best estimate I've heard for complete resolution of the glitches across all Orain wikis (including this one) is "end of next week." --Robkelk (talk) 01:44, 22 September 2014 (BST)

We have a partial fix! If you enable HHVM, the editing problems should go away. File-uploading problems are still around, though. Here's what you have to do:


 * 1) There's a line of links at the very top of each page when you're logged in. On that line, click on "Preferences"
 * 2) On your Preferences page, click on "Beta Features"
 * 3) Select "HHVM", then click on the Save button.

(blog) Must ... control ... myself ...
The folks over on All The Tropes and the Fenspace wiki can tell you how much I dislike seeing links to Wanted Pages on a wiki.

Right now, we have more Wanted Pages than we have pages ...

I don't have time to write them all ...

Aargh!!!

--Robkelk (talk) 02:50, 24 September 2014 (BST)


 * You're welcome. ;)  It will take many weeks with my current regular activities to fill in a page for every freebie I've cataloged but now you don't have to tic on it while I work.--Wayii (talk) 12:05AM, 24 September 2014 (EST)


 * The current server issues (periodic "403 Forbidden" errors across the entire wiki) don't help, either. --Robkelk (talk) 22:51, 24 September 2014 (BST)


 * I'm afraid that's out of my scope of expertise. :(  --Wayii (talk) 00:35, 25 September 2014 (BST)


 * The server bobbles should be finished by the end of this week - that's when Orain plans to have all of their servers upgraded. If we still have issues after that, then we worry. --Robkelk (talk) 02:39, 25 September 2014 (BST)


 * I may not be the greatest contributor, but I while do my part whenever possible (once the glitches are gone, right now I can't edit 'my' pages without the beta, but I can't view them with the beta... a catch 22 situation LoL ) --Glaseye (talk) 18:25, 25 September 2014 (BST)


 * Don't feel bad. I can't edit any of my mountain of pages or upload any of the images I've made while waiting for the glitching to end.  When it does finally end it's going to be an upload orgy.  >.<  --Wayii (talk)
 * Ouch, server overload pending..... :-) --Glaseye (talk) 14:07, 27 September 2014 (BST)
 * Any time now, if things go according to schedule... but I still can't update the page for Laura, so not just yet. --Robkelk (talk) 14:09, 27 September 2014 (BST)

Server Issues Should Be Resolved Now
Orain has completed their server upgrades, and the wiki should be back to normal. If you discover any problems, please let me know. --Robkelk (talk) 23:31, 28 September 2014 (BST)

Found a dead link? Tag it!
I've just installed the "dead link" template - please tag dead links with when you find them. --Robkelk (talk) 15:16, 5 October 2014 (BST)

(blog) Why I chose the header-and-entry format for lists
Since it's come up...

There are many ways to create lists in MediaWiki - some are better at certain tasks, others are better at different tasks.

For a list of freebies, where there are multiple places to download some items and add-ons for other items, the "create a page for each freebie and make index pages for types or themes of freebies" format works best - and that's what I'm hoping this wiki will become in time. But we're nowhere near that stage yet (the freebies for some of Nusoda's figures have the individual pages, and the anime resources page has the index format). Getting there will take months if not years.

The "header-and-entry" format works second-best. If a freebie can be found on ShareCG, Renderosity, and the creator's website, we don't have to choose one link; we can list them all. If there's a few dozen texture packs for a dress (the way there are for Galadriel, Rococo, or the MFD), they can be included in the entry - no need to force someone to look all over the page (or, worse, multiple pages) for the "complete package."

Thus, the list looks like this:
 * Example
 * http://example.com or http://example.org
 * add-on: http://example.net

We could have done this: However, that isn't as clear as the format I did choose - it looks like it's three different items, instead of three parts of one item.
 * Example
 * Example
 * Example add-on

It isn't a perfect list format; it takes up a lot of room (and that means more scrolling up and down the screen), and there's a lot of duplication when a freebie belongs on more than one list. But I thought the benefits outweigh the drawbacks, so that's what I went with.

--Robkelk (talk) 20:37, 5 October 2014 (BST)

(blog) I'm flattered, but ... why?
I just looked at my own ShareCG gallery page. I have four followers. I have only one download - a texture set for the ribbons in one of Redviper's hairdos - so why do I have followers?

--Robkelk (talk) 01:33, 7 October 2014 (BST)

(blog) brain hurts...
Just added a load of content to the NearMe page. Deciphering Google's mechanical translation of Pixiv pages hurts... But, hey, I found a couple of items for the Anime-style Resources page, and was able to positively identify one of the hairdos on Kerya's list. --Robkelk (talk) 02:06, 11 October 2014 (BST)

Moved from the top of the page
Hi,

I sorted Gen2F Morphs in alphabetical order, is it fine?

--EnigmaticOxygen (talk)


 * Why did you change the names? Changing "Kururu for Genesis 2 Female DAZ Studio 4.6" to "Kururu" is especially bad, since we already have a page named "Kururu". --Robkelk (talk) 21:48, 14 October 2014 (BST)

I did? Hmm... It must have got deleted mistakenly - I was furiously copy-pasting stuff into categories. I think it should be Kururu Morph or something like that.

--EnigmaticOxygen (talk)


 * It should be "Kururu for Genesis 2 Female DAZ Studio 4.6", because that's what its creator named it. It doesn't matter what we think. --Robkelk (talk) 15:20, 16 October 2014 (BST)

Hi,

no problem regarding Gen2M links, it happens. I compiled Behemoth, Goblin and Behemoth 2. But I am afraid at the moment, grouping poses for Dawn or Gen2F as suggested won't work. There are too few of those and these available are mixed packs.

--EnigmaticOxygen (talk)


 * In those cases, just use alphabetical order. --Robkelk (talk) 13:15, 7 October 2014 (BST)

I have the Deco page filled out with all the links I have. The Koshini page will take longer (many more links) and it'll take me awhile to rebuild the Little One list.

Sorry, got the sig figured out now.

--Semicharm (talk) 23:03, 29 August 2014 (BST)

(blog) I suppose we were lucky it took this long ...
I just banned our first spammer, and deleted its "contributions". We've been running for two months and public for almost that long, so I suppose this is a good record. (Imagine what the place would have looked like if we hadn't restricted editing to people with accounts...) --Robkelk (talk) 12:51, 21 October 2014 (BST)

(blog) I've started a lot of pages...
... and it seems whenever I do start a page, nobody else wants to add to it.

That isn't how wikis are supposed to work.

If you see that I started a page, don't be disappointed that you can't work on that page any more. Go ahead and work on the page! There's a note on the Main Page: "The contribution of even a single link to a free item that we've missed is appreciated."

And there's a note on the edit box of every page: "If you do not want your writing to be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, then do not submit it here." Since I submitted words here, I'm okay with them being edited mercilessly - added to, preferably. Don't worry about stepping on my toes.

--Robkelk (talk) 21:42, 25 October 2014 (BST)


 * Hey now, I edit your stuff all the time LOL!... I edit anytime I know there's a hole somewhere. Sometimes (like with the Dryad Leaves stuff) I'll even create a page off your page to just cross the item off my own list since my work often overlaps with everyone else's.  I'm big on taking you at your word.  :D  Wayii (talk) 22:03, 25 October 2014 (BST)


 * Have I given you a barnstar for that yet? 8) I'd like everyone else to embrace the wiki spirit, too. --Robkelk (talk) 22:05, 25 October 2014 (BST)
 * LOL I got Barnstarred my first week for "tireless contribution". Hee hee!  But yeah, not my first wiki rodeo and once my kitchen reno is done I'll be picking the pace back up to the former huge data entry levels again.Wayii (talk) 22:09, 25 October 2014 (BST)
 * It was a hectic first week - you, Kerya, Eustace, and I were all "tireless" that week. Barnstars are harder to get nowadays. --Robkelk (talk) 22:24, 25 October 2014 (BST)
 * Maybe once I finish out the last of the Nursoda pages and move on to FemaSu, Frogkin, Nan Fredman's catalog, Jim Farris' catalog and my personal misc. freebie catalog.Wayii (talk) 23:14, 25 October 2014 (BST)

Hello
Saw your note on my talk page. I'm Jim Farris, the guy who made the "Dryad Leaves" stuff, amongst other random poser paraphenalia. Hopefully Wayii has already told you about me. Or, at least, warned you of my existence. ;-) Xaa (talk) 14:17, 4 November 2014 (GMT)
 * As far as I'm concerned, we could use a lot more people like you... 8) --Robkelk (talk) 00:17, 5 November 2014 (GMT)

(blog) Trivia of the day
As of this posting, we have pages for 110 distinct figures. Of those 110, 24 have separate pages for wardrobe, 12 have pages for morphs and expressions, 12 (not the same list) have pages for poses, 6 have pages for hair, and 4 have pages for character textures. The only figure with all five subpages is Aiko 3.

(The things I find to keep myself amused while ShareCG is down...)

--Robkelk (talk) 14:58, 9 November 2014 (GMT)

Solstice lists / advent list
Just a thought, and seeing if it is desired for the wiki. December is getting close, and that usually means that various sites, and individuals, have their xmas goodies available. Some of these freebies are only available for a short time. Hunting down those freebies can be a challenge. I know that Kerya kept a list of links to the various sites that offer the goodies (at the DAZ3D forums). I myself have done that at Faeriewylde the past few years. Should we do something like that here as well? (Assuming there will be goodies of course, there seem to be an ever decreasing number of participants willing or able to create the solstice freebies, for various reasons)

(now of to the 'page needing image' list: got some test renders to do, so a good excuse to get some of those pages of the list......)

--Glaseye (talk) 18:06, 11 November 2014 (GMT)


 * That's a good question ... I like the idea of listing limited-time freebies, but I don't have the time to take them off the list once they're not available any more. If you're willing to do that, though, I'd be happy to add a "Limited-time Freebies" link to the site's menu. --Robkelk (talk) 18:09, 11 November 2014 (GMT)

I can do that... and after the event has ended relocate the links that are not time limited to the appropriate pages... --Glaseye (talk) 18:16, 11 November 2014 (GMT)

Okay - page created and added to the sidebar. Thanks! --Robkelk (talk) 18:24, 11 November 2014 (GMT)

Spamming
Just curious, is it possible to 'report' spammers? some new accounts look suspicious..... --Glaseye (talk) 17:29, 12 November 2014 (GMT)
 * ah, I see you found them.... --Glaseye (talk) 17:30, 12 November 2014 (GMT)
 * darn... looks like more new spam accounts are created... --Glaseye (talk) 21:53, 12 November 2014 (GMT)
 * Nuking ... and reporting the sites being advertised to Google so their pageranks drop. --Robkelk (talk) 23:46, 12 November 2014 (GMT)
 * Me thinks this is Spam too: http://poserdazfreebies.orain.org/wiki/%22Cash_Gifting_Programs%22_Gee_Mentor_Answers_Some_Question and this ones too http://poserdazfreebies.orain.org/wiki/Deciding_upon_Clear-Cut_Systems_In_Rodan_And_Fields --Kerya (talk) 08:37, 13.11.2014 (MESZ)
 * Cleaning up the wiki .. again. I've put in a request to limit page creation to Confirmed users - if it's granted, that might help. --Robkelk (talk) 13:38, 13 November 2014 (GMT)
 * Or it might put the spam on the "real" pages. If that happens, don't re-edit the pages - let an administrator (for now, me) know and we'll revert the page so the spam doesn't show up in the page history. --Robkelk (talk) 14:01, 13 November 2014 (GMT)
 * Make that "let a rollbacker know", not an administrator. Kerya, Xaa, and I all have rollbacker powers now. --Robkelk (talk) 02:32, 28 November 2014 (GMT)
 * I do? Goodness, I wish I'd known that the other day. ;-)  Xaa (talk) 03:58, 28 November 2014 (GMT)
 * Xaa doesn't have it any more. (Play with new toys in your sandbox, not in the live wiki.) Wayii has rollbacker rights, though. --Robkelk (talk) 23:19, 30 November 2014 (GMT)
 * But I didn't! =(  I didn't edit that page at all!  It says I edited the Decoco page two days ago, but I didn't! I haven't touched that page! =( Xaa (talk) 01:22, 1 December 2014 (GMT)
 * Ugh, I see what happened. You upgraded my rights while I was surfing the site from the "recent changes" page, and I mis-clicked. Xaa (talk) 01:33, 1 December 2014 (GMT)
 * Blah. Just leave it as it is, if it's going to be that easy for me to break things just trying to catch up with what's happening, I don't need or want the tool to begin with. Xaa (talk) 01:37, 1 December 2014 (GMT)
 * one more https://poserdazfreebies.orain.org/wiki/Finding_Free_Leads_In_The_Network_Marketing_Business    and one suspicious https://poserdazfreebies.orain.org/w/index.php?title=User:Thelufias&action=edit&redlink=1    --Glaseye (talk) 16:13, 13 November 2014 (GMT)
 * darn, al those spambots, not funny at all......--Glaseye (talk) 15:46, 17 November 2014 (GMT)

Wiki Policy - Draft for Discussion
Poser and Daz Studio Free Resources Wiki:Policy

Comments on that page's Talk page, please.

--Robkelk (talk) 23:43, 13 November 2014 (GMT)

Would you mind terribly much...
...if I replaced the Victoria 3 image you made? Xaa (talk) 13:40, 22 November 2014 (GMT)
 * I wouldn't mind at all. But don't overwrite it - I'm using the same image on the Morphing Fantasy Dress page. --Robkelk (talk) 15:34, 22 November 2014 (GMT)
 * Done, did not over-write. =) Xaa (talk) 18:17, 22 November 2014 (GMT)

Categories
You've probably seen them - the line of categories along the bottom of each page. They're useful when somebody's looking for things that are like what they're looking at (assuming the right categories are on each page, of course.) But they're also useful for something less obvious.

Every page currently on the wiki (not including User and Talk pages) has at least one category. (We have a page with 73 categories, but that's an extreme case. Currently, the median is 4 categories.)

This means that, as long as we add at least one category to each new on-topic page (again, not including User and Talk pages), any page on the Uncategorized Pages report will be spam.

So, whenever you create a new page, make sure it has categories! Don't load up on categories - just use the ones (or one) that actually makes sense to be on your new page.

--Robkelk (talk) 20:38, 23 November 2014 (GMT)


 * Righto, will do. Xaa (talk) 20:59, 23 November 2014 (GMT)

(blog) One site down...
Each freebie on the Faerie Dreams site now has its own page here. (Note that this doesn't include Faeriewylde.) Some of the pages even have images - thanks for the assist here, Xaa!

I'm still working on the EvilInnocence freebies. Maybe they'll be done by the end of the calendar year. Maybe.

--Robkelk (talk) 02:27, 28 November 2014 (GMT)


 * Goodness, you're quite welcome, but I was merely following along behind in the "Recent Changes" page, doing quick renders of stuff I actually have and posting it. =) Xaa (talk) 04:09, 28 November 2014 (GMT)

(blog) Sadie joins Laura...
... in having a sortable Wardrobe list and individual pages for each of her wardrobe items. Pity I couldn't find where those two freebies from fantasiesattic went, though. --Robkelk (talk) 01:53, 8 December 2014 (GMT)

Database errors
We're getting some database error messages after making edits, creating pages, or uploading files. This is because one of Orain's servers is not playing well with a recent wiki software update. The changes are being made, no worries there.

This software issue is affecting the categories, and those are not being updated properly. (That's why the Main Page says we still have 899 pages, when I know we've passed 900. That's also why pages that are getting images are not coming off the Page Needing Image list.)

Bear with us, please, and keep fingers crossed that this won't last too much longer.

--Robkelk (talk) 18:08, 20 December 2014 (GMT)
 * You mean errors like "[xxxxxxx] 2014-12-20 18:11:54: Fatal exception of type MWException"? Southparkfan (talk) 18:13, 20 December 2014 (GMT)
 * I had one of those while editing this page, but the errors have been titled "Database error". Can't seem to replicate them at the moment, though. --Robkelk (talk) 18:22, 20 December 2014 (GMT)

And that edit managed to replicate the error.

Database error A database query error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. Function: LinksUpdate::incrTableUpdate Error: 1054 Unknown column 'pl_from_namespace' in 'field list' (10.131.243.243)

--Robkelk (talk) 18:23, 20 December 2014 (GMT)
 * Investigating. John (talk) 18:24, 20 December 2014 (GMT)
 * Thanks. Have to log out now; won't be back for a few hours. --Robkelk (talk) 18:27, 20 December 2014 (GMT)

Famous People and the morphs that make figures look like them
After looking at the relevant laws in Ontario, I have made a policy decision for the wiki. (Maybe it's an over-reaction, but the end-result is still useful, I think.)

Celebrities have particular rights of personality that average people don't, including the right to control their own likenesses. This means that there are circumstances where a morph that turns a figure into a celebrity should not be used for commercial purposes, even if the morph's license allows for commercial use. (As an example, selling a render that implies a famous singer uses a particular brand of microphone might get the artist into trouble - especially if the singer has signed a contract to use a different brand of microphone.)

We can't stop people from misusing freebies, but we can make things clear up front that this is an issue. Thus, I've decided that all celebrity morphs should be listed on the Famous People page, not on the various figures' pages.

We probably have some links to move to the Famous People page...

--Robkelk (talk) 19:56, 28 December 2014 (GMT)

New toy!
https://poserdazfreebies.orain.org/wiki/Special:MultiUpload

For uploading multiple images at once. --Robkelk (talk) 23:00, 1 January 2015 (GMT)

Our wiki hosts need some money
Please see here: https://meta.orain.org/wiki/Forum:An_urgent_donation_drive

As I post this, the Indiegogo link in the announcement doesn't work. Here's the correct link: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/help-orain-stay-free-and-online


 * Three weeks left and they're only at 10% of what they need to keep the wiki running past May. If you haven't chipped in, please consider doing so. --Robkelk (talk) 14:09, 14 January 2015 (GMT)

Dawn/Morphs Overhaul
I just gave the Dawn/Morphs page a serious overhaul today. I'm fairly confident that it's in fairly decent shape now. I'm not certain if any of the remaining characters is an analog of any famous person or IP but the one I did discover (Bow = Clara Bow), I moved to the famous persons page per the new(ish) policy. I had to change a lot of names to the author-used package names. This should clear up a good bit of user confusion going forward. I have also appended a (PS) or (DS) to listings as a preliminary way of differentiating between platform-exclusive packs. Would it be more appropriate for me to create separate subgroups for these rather than appending the (DS)/(PS) designation to the pack names? If so I can easily winnow them out and subgroup them.

Wayii (talk) 22:11, 10 January 2015 (GMT)


 * Thanks for putting in all that work! As for the PS/DS split, the way I've seen it handled on other sites is the same way you did it here, so let's go with that to avoid confusion. --Robkelk (talk) 22:19, 10 January 2015 (GMT)


 * Okay, cool. I guess I can remove the in need of attention mark from it then.  You're very welcome.  I'll have to poke at some of the other rats' nests soon. :D Wayii (talk) 22:29, 10 January 2015 (GMT)


 * Got a good start on detangling and standardizing the K4 Wardrobe page. It is now conforming more to the format being used on the Aiko and V4 wardrobe pages with the clothing arranged by type.  Managed to add some good classic stuff that was missing from the list and fleshed out jumbled listings like Sanbie's K4 offerings, which really needed more than the All Sanbie's K4 zips entry they had (end users wouldn't know to look there for something they got a specific texture for and realized they didn't have the mesh).  This page still needs some serious love and attention but I simply don't have more to give tonight.

(blog) One Thousand Content Pages
We just hit content page #1,000. Here it is.

We have so many, many pages to go...

--Robkelk (talk) 01:40, 16 January 2015 (GMT)