User talk:Robkelk

New posts at the bottom of the page, please.

Sections moved to their own pages:
 * Working on turning the index lists into indexes of pages

And We're Back!
Well, back as of Mid-June - we've lost thee months of updates.

We're good to go now... --Robkelk (talk) 18:26, 20 September 2015 (UTC)


 * While we still don't have all the content back, I think we now know almost everything that we're missing. At least we know what to work on while we aren't adding new content to the wiki. --Robkelk (talk) 19:24, 8 November 2015 (UTC)


 * With the loading of the previously-lost pages from June and July 2015, I suspect we now have all the pages we're going to get from any offline source. Everything else that's missing, we'll have to re-create. --Robkelk (talk) 01:14, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

All pages exported - Wiki Backup
The last time (UTC) I exported the entire text to my home computer was: 20170113184700

The last time (UTC) I exported the images to my home computer was: 20171104214400

This is less important to do, now that the wiki hosting service is taking regular backups of the wiki: https://github.com/miraheze/puppet/issues/48#issuecomment-202352846


 * Question: how do I create a backup, at least for a page with subpages that I heavily edited just now (See V1-2 wardrobe)? --Kerya (talk) 06.06.2016


 * Here's the step-by-step:
 * Make a list of the names of the pages and subpages that you want to back up, with only one pagename on a line. (Special:AllPages is an alphabetical list of all pagenames; the names in italics are redirects to other pages.)
 * Make sure you're logged in, and surf to Special:Export
 * Ignore the box "Add pages from category". Copy that list you made in step 1, and paste it into the big box. The default settings for the three checkboxes are good if you want the current pages - if you want the edit history as well, uncheck "Include only the current revision, not the full history"
 * Click on "Export", and save the file.
 * That will give you an XML file, which somebody who knows HTML can use to make a text file. It will not save the images - you'll have to save those one at a time. --Robkelk (talk) 13:43, 6 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the step by step! --Kerya (talk) 7 June 2016

Wiki import
1.26 upgrade is planned at the ~24th. If you have luck, I can import some pages before the 31th (Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, btw.) - otherwise it will happen in January. Hopefully that's fine for you. Southparkfan (talk) 17:48, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
 * That's fine, thanks. I'll take an export before the 24th, just in case. --Robkelk (talk) 00:33, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Export has been taken. --Robkelk (talk) 16:47, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Another export has been taken - less than ten minutes before the maintenance window. This talk page should be the only page on the wiki that is not backed up to the current revision. --Robkelk (talk) 15:55, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Bug filed: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T123075. I hope it gets solved soon, otherwise you won't get the backup running. Southparkfan (talk) 17:11, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

Robkelk, please look at https://poserdazfreebiestest.miraheze.org. Please make me aware of any errors. If you think that nothing went wrong in the import process here, then we can schedule a read-only period for the real Poserdaz and Freebies Wiki so I can import this XML dump. Southparkfan (talk) 12:57, 10 January 2016 (UTC)S
 * I did some spot-checks, and everything seems good to me. I'll take another export of the text anyway, just in case. As for scheduling a read-only period, our busiest periods for updating are 05:00-09:00 UTC and 23:00-01:00 UTC - the 23:00-01:00 period is primarily my update window, so we can use that if necessary. --Robkelk (talk) 17:03, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
 * The latter period is (for me) 00:00-02:00, and that's unacceptably late for me. This update needs to happen at a Friday or Saturday between 18:30 and 20:30 UTC +0. The wiki would only need 30 minutes read-only time (5 minutes backup, 20 minutes import, 5 minutes checking). Southparkfan (talk) 17:34, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I was unclear - the times I gave are the times when we make most of updates to the content. Putting the wiki into read-only mode on Friday between 18:30 and 20:30 UTC +0 should not be an issue. (Saturday between 18:30 and 20:30 UTC +0 might or might not be an issue.) --Robkelk (talk) 00:40, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Can you schedule a final date (and notify me about it)? And put it in the sitenotice too, obviously. Southparkfan (talk) 14:27, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I'll schedule Friday, 22 January between 18:30 and 20:30 UTC +0 for the import. --Robkelk (talk) 00:15, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I've just taken an export of the entire wiki as it stands now, just in case. --Robkelk (talk) 14:00, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Not needed Previllages
You have added yourself to the groups "autopatrolled, confirmed and rollbacker", which are not required as you get them within the "administrator" previllages.
 * My rights were like that when the wiki was set up. Oh, and welcome to the wiki - do you have any links to share? --Robkelk (talk) 17:03, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

Site-loading issues via phone
First, I want to say that an external forum is not the proper way to report bugs, we have a wiki for that. Anyway, the errors are interesting: it seems that your BlackBerry lacks SNI support. SNI is a very useful thing that allows us to have multiple SSL certificates hosted on a server with one IP. Extra server IPs (at least $5/month per site and a lot of trouble with RIPE) or SAN (depending whether GlobalSign wants to give us SAN certs for free, this can costs literally hundreds of dollars each year, even if we wouldn't go with GlobalSign) are not an option for Miraheze. We have our *.miraheze.org certificate set as the "default_server", which means that even clients without SNI support can use HTTPS for *.miraheze.org wikis.

For example, the Wikimedia Foundation has a very, very rare SAN certificate (used on all wikis). If you visit the English Wikipedia, you'll notice that it just works.

If I have to believe the Wikipedia article, it looks like SNI support was introduced in BlackBerry OS 7.2. If possible, you should update your OS to make use of SNI.

HSTS is a mechanism we enable via server headers, which is used to protect our users (on all domains - including *.miraheze.org and allthetropes.org) from certain attacks. Our HSTS policy has a max-age of 28 days (which means that HSTS will be in effect until 28 days), which is why even disabling HSTS for allthetropes.org wouldn't really make sense yet. HSTS also prohibits the usage of invalid certs, which is why you can't 'click this error away'.

Please let me know if you are able to fix this issue. Southparkfan (talk) 14:01, 29 February 2016 (UTC)


 * First, if the issue was with this wiki, I would have reported it through meta. I'm not the person who should be reporting technical issues for allthetropes - GethN7 is, and my contact for him is through that external forum.


 * Second, Blackberry OS 7 never had a version 7.2 - development stopped at 7.1, and IIRC that was a beta. It looks to me that Wikipedia needs an update.


 * I fully support using HSTS. I remember what happened to Orain. I will live with not being able to access allthetropes on my cellphone. --Robkelk (talk) 14:35, 29 February 2016 (UTC)


 * I have discovered while testing various anti-virus software that the latest version of Avast! working with the latest version of Firefox also does not like HSTS. I have uninstalled Avast!, but others might be wondering why they cannot access the site. --Robkelk (talk) 15:23, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

Multi-upload tool?
Is there any chance of getting the multi-upload tool back now that we're settled in on miraheze? I must admit I don't know much about how that sort of thing is done.--Fielran (talk) 02:20, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure - Miraheze is more security-conscious than Orain was (for good reason), so they don't allow all of the extensions that we used to be able to get. And I know they have a backlog of requests ... but I can ask. --Robkelk (talk) 15:14, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I have asked. --Robkelk (talk) 15:36, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Official reply: "MultiUpload is currently disabled on all wikis, because it's breaking things and it is currently unmaintained." We're looking into alternates. --Robkelk (talk) 12:31, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
 * We have a replacement! Edit a page - the "Drop files here" box at the top of the edit window is a multi-file upload tool. --Robkelk (talk) 13:05, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

ironman links
Hey Rob on the wayback links I only get the can't display page due to robot text. So maybe you being in Canada can see it but me in the USA can not. Maybe we should have a talk with ironman and see what we can do about re-establishing a home for them or just retire the pages if we can't. Lonnie
 * That's odd - I checked the links from two different computers before I posted them. (Both in Canada, true.) And, yes, we should get in touch with ironman about them... --Robkelk (talk) 23:16, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Page cannot be displayed due to robots.txt. - I am in Germany ... --Kerya (talk) 19 June 2016
 * And now I'm seeing the same message. Sending a Rendo sitemail to ironman13... --Robkelk (talk) 20:54, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I think that sometimes sharing the Archive link just makes it look deeper and find that Robots.txt ... I've encountered that before. Sharing a link that works - and the person that tries it hits the robots.txt page. --Kerya (talk) 20 June 2016
 * Well that sucks. Something to look more into. If WB had the data stored for you and then all of a sudden it disappears then it is WB that is not working the way we think it should. --Dollygirl (talk) 20 June 2016

Got a reply - the sites are "gone for good". --Robkelk (talk) 12:25, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Could folks check the Wayback Machine links, please? I'm getting the downloads again. --Robkelk (talk) 15:34, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I tried with Coffee Time: https://web.archive.org/web/20131025071357/http://www.freeposes.net/freebie-archives/189-free-poses-for-v4 but the download from http://www.filefactory.com/file/cad2889/n/FP_CoffeeTime.zip does not work because of "Page cannot be displayed due to robots.txt" --Kerya (talk) 03 July 2016
 * I'm not surprised that the freeposes.net links don't work - those files were stored off-site and filefactory.com has IIRC never allowed archiving, so those particular freebies are gone for good. It's the freebies from i13posefactory.com (such as Contemplative Poses for Genesis 2 Female / V6) that are available again. --Robkelk (talk) 14:15, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Tried the link from the Contemplative Poses: "Page cannot be displayed due to robots.txt. See i13posefactory.com robots.txt page. Learn more about robots.txt." --Kerya (talk) 04 July 2016

Secondary URLs
Sorry - but how do I get secondary URLs to show up? I added one to https://poserdazfreebies.miraheze.org/wiki/LittleOne-Xmas but it doesn't show ... --Kerya (talk) 19 September 2016
 * Call it Alternate URL, not Secondary URL. (It's far too late to change the template, alas.) --Robkelk (talk) 00:40, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

Help please
Hey Rob do you happen to have copies of any of my freebies, like the Cinco de Mayo, the toy theater etc? Last month I had a head crash and lost everything that I was working on and some of my past projects. Think you could help me get some of it back? Thanks for any support you can give. Lonnie --Dollygirl (talk) 17:08, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I keep copies of my downloads, but I don't have them sorted in any meaningful way. I'll have to let my computer crawl my archives to see what I have from you - which will take a few days. --Robkelk (talk) 22:35, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

Oh thank you!--Dollygirl (talk) 04:22, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Aargh. I have readmes for more than one of your freebies, but the only zip I can find in my archive is "DollyGirlTexs for DCM RagDoll.zip" --Robkelk (talk) 12:06, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for looking Rob. That project was on a different drive and I have that one. I really appreciate your help. There are other ways to see if I can get back those zips. I will try them next. --Dollygirl (talk) 12:06, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

Another freebie site rescued from the Wayback Machine - with two items for unidentified figures
Freebies by Byron Taylor lists all of the freebies that I could find in the Wayback Machine from byrontaylor.com - over a dozen "golden oldies." (Including seam guides for V1 and a rather naughty item for SP3... who knew?)

If anybody knows who these two freebies are for, please update the page, and add those freebies to the figure's page or figures' pages. I've already added the glasses to the Glasses page.

--Robkelk (talk) 00:07, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
 * The heart glasses 'almost' perfectly fits V3, so my guess is they're made for it, but it does need slight adjustment. As it is a prop I would consider it to be usable on many models... so not specifically for V3 alone... Put it with V3 anyway??
 * --Glaseye (talk) 14:05, 9 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Sounds good to me - Byron Taylor did have some V3 freebies on the site, after all. Thanks for the help. --Robkelk (talk) 14:45, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

(BLOG) We finally have a page that's bigger than the list of hairdos
I knew Chohole made a lot of textures, but I didn't know she'd made that many...

Free Resources by Chohole has unseated Hair/cr2, hr2 and duf conforming and prop hair as the largest page on the wiki.

--Robkelk (talk) 16:11, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

(BLOG) Working on turning the index lists into indexes of pages
This is big enough for it own page. User talk:Robkelk/Working on turning the index lists into indexes of pages

Just finished indexing justlastknight's ShareCG pages
That was a big one - not as big as Chohole's pages, but bigger than average. However, the list only has the ShareCG links on it, with a very few exceptions.

Anyone feel up to adding the Renderosity links?

--Robkelk (talk) 00:00, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

(BLOG) ChibiBel turns 10 this year
ChibiBel turns 10 this year. As a present, I've just finished making individual pages for each of her freebies (except for the textures for ChibiBel and School Set) - although many of those pages still need images. Does anyone want to help with the pictures? --Robkelk (talk) 21:35, 2 January 2017 (UTC)


 * 10 years already... (about the same as my 'involvement' in 3d :) ), but alas, anime is really not my thing. (But I'll try to do some more on/for the aircraft pages...... been absent waaay to long now)--Glaseye (talk) 18:49, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

Looks like database is not updating category content
Hey Rob, it looks like when you click on one of the autogenterated pages that the database is not updating what is contained on the page. You added more pages to One-piece clothing category but when you click on the autogentered page your additions are not being included. I have the same problem with my addition in Fetishwear. I noticed yesterday they were having problems with the database are we still trying to recover from that issue? --Dollygirl (talk) 16:55, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Looks like it is a bit slow is all --Dollygirl (talk) 17:36, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
 * That's been happening on and off all across Miraheze lately. They're looking into it. The category-update program is separate from the database, though. --Robkelk (talk) 13:52, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

Made a page for DryJack should have been a category
I made a page for DryJack not thinking that I needed a category instead can you please remove the DryJack page. I created the category so don't need the page anymore. Thanks--Dollygirl (talk) 19:04, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Done! --Robkelk (talk) 23:24, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

(BLOG) Five thousand content pages!
I just created the wiki's five-thousandth content page!

The "lucky" page is G2F knitted Suit - a two-piece wardrobe by Wilmap for Genesis 2 Female.

(Of course, there's still over a thousand wardrobe pages to go, then there's morphs, hair, poses, props... Some day we'll look back and wonder that we only had 5000 pages.)

--Robkelk (talk) 02:16, 9 April 2017 (UTC)


 * I just created the wiki's 7,500th content page! The lucky page is ... golly, how did this happen ... Aiko 4 Base. --Robkelk (talk) 00:42, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

PFDLives is closing
''I'm adding this to the Talk pages of all active users, including myself. Since my Talk page has become the de facto chat page for the wiki, please reply here.''

PFDLives has announced that they're most likely closing on August 1: http://pfdlives.com/pfd/index.php?topic=8235.0 - login required to view

Maybe, if they can get enough donations, they can remain open longer ... but the domain name is only registered until 2018.

This means all of the freebies on pfdlives.com will either be moving or disappearing. (Some of those freebies are listed here, but not all of them.)

Please, spread the word about this ... and help ensure that any freebie not behind a login is saved in the Wayback Machine.

--Robkelk (talk) 12:56, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

Looks like Attic's management has picked up the site and restored all the freebies. A very nice thing for them to do. Did not check the links my bad! --Dollygirl (talk) 19:10, 2 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Well, then, somebody has a project ahead of me him... --Robkelk (talk) 20:24, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

Found Out How to display intersecting categories
Rob, hope your holiday is enjoyable. When you get back I would like to talk about the ability to use the extension DynamicPageListing. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DynamicPageList_(Wikimedia). This little routine can search through the Wiki and find all of the pages that contain the union of a set of categories, example would be Hair and Aiko 3. If a page has those two categories assigned to it then initiating this extension would generate a page with all of the associated pages that contain categories Hair and Aiko 3. We could create box on the front page so a user can type in the categories they want a union for and there you go a dynamic list of pages that meet that requirement. What do you think? --Dollygirl (talk) 19:22, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Dollygirl, I've asked whether there would be any security concerns getting DynamicPageListing added to the wiki, and it looks like we can have version 3 of the extension. I'll ask for it once I'm back from vacation. --Robkelk (talk) 18:54, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

Cool will be looking for it --Dollygirl (talk) 17:46, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
 * The documentation is available at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DynamicPageList3 --Robkelk (talk) 20:30, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

Just bought myself a present
Content Paradise was nice enough to send me a birthday coupon earlier this week, and I just used it to get NearMe at a reduced price. I wonder how well she'll work in Daz Studio? (I'll find out once I'm back home...) --Robkelk (talk) 18:54, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Looks like she works pretty well, considering her age. I installed EvilInnocence's wardrobe for her when I installed her, and some of the items look good on her. (Others violate the wiki's "no sexualization of minors" rule, though, so only COR Shirt gets an image of her.) --Robkelk (talk) 02:14, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Mirror Universe Sci-Fi Outfit (for V2)
Mirror Universe Sci-Fi Outfit (for V2)does not contain a URL for the product. https://poserdazfreebies.miraheze.org/wiki/Mirror_Universe_Sci-Fi_Outfit_(for_V2) --Dollygirl (talk) 04:40, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Link added ... --Kerya (talk) 30 July 2017
 * Thanks Kerya --Dollygirl (talk) 16:19, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Kerya and Dollygirl. --Robkelk (talk) 20:18, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Just asked the wiki host for two features
I kept forgetting to do this... my apologies, everyone. I just asked our wiki host to add two features:
 * Extension:DynamicPageList3, which will let us search on multiple categories
 * Extension:MultiBoilerplate, which will let us make new-page templates

--Robkelk (talk) 19:47, 15 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Oops - I asked for three features, not two. The third feature is ReferenceTooltips‎, which lets you move your pointer over a footnote link and see the footnote text. This feature is now live. (We don't have very many footnotes, but now you don't need to scroll down to the end of the pages to read them. Maddie's page has a footnote in the first sentence, in case you're curious about how this works.) --Robkelk (talk) 20:12, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

DynamicPageList3 and MultiBoilerplate have been installed. Dollygirl is testing out DynamicPageList3. I've created two new-page templates so far - if anybody has suggestions for more, please add them here. --Robkelk (talk) 17:15, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

I have tested the dynamicpagelist3 extension and it works. I will see if I can create a page where you can put what categories you want in and get the listing. There is an issue of the extension listing a non-existing page as the first element in the list. You can see the results on my sandbox page. My question is how do we get rid of that entry. My second question is how do we use the boilerplate pages? I do not have a clue how to initiate an editing session with the template. :) --Dollygirl (talk) 17:37, 23 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Dollygirl. I'll have to do some research to get answers to your question about DynamicPageList3. For the boilerplate pages, when you create a new page, you should see a dropdown menu just above the editing box. Click on either of the choices there (we only have two right now) and the boilerplate will completely replace whatever is in the editing box - continue editing from there. (I'll ask around and see whether there's any way to put a note on the page-creation page.) --Robkelk (talk) 23:30, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
 * That didn't take too long. There is now a note at the start of the new-page page. --Robkelk (talk) 23:47, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
 * And the missing template was supposed to be an example of what you can do with DynamicPageList3. I've copied (with permission) that template from the wiki All The Tropes. --Robkelk (talk) 00:26, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

I just discovered that dynamicpagelist3 returns a maximum of 500 results - see here (for now; I'll eventually be making that list shorter). --Robkelk (talk) 15:12, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

Does this go on the wiki?
Noadasi shows the process of taking 3D primitive shapes and turning them into a fully-poseable figure. (The figure is "Erma", from this web comic.) Modeling, texturing, and rigging for movement are all shown.

The thing is, this isn't a tutorial. It's more a walk-through without actual instructions. But it might be of interest.

Should we list it?

--Robkelk (talk) 00:52, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

It is a wonderful example of what you can do with 3D and in particular Blender but our mission statement says DAZ Studio and Poser freebies. It would be a bit confusing to people if they are expecting a freebie that is suppose to work in DAZ and it is only Blender instead. I have no problem changing the mission statement if you want to expand the scope. Up to you Boss! --Dollygirl (talk) 04:20, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

That's a very good point - it isn't DS or Poser. Let's not list it. --Robkelk (talk) 12:17, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

Whoop Whoop There it is!
Congratulations! Rob. V4 Morphs. Gotta say you are a very determined fellow. --Dollygirl (talk) 18:00, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, Dollygirl. It was a lot of work. But I still haven't finished V4's hair... and barely started her poses. --Robkelk (talk) 00:11, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

Getting in touch with Rob
...or maybe I reply here to you? I dropped a note on my talk page. The talk page thing is new to me. Anyway, see this forum post here, as I was lost for a while, and did not know how to contact anyone? https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/comment/3344576#Comment_3344576 - Matt

Hi Matt! I see that it's still not completely clear on how to get past the anti-spammer safeguards. I suspect the anti-spammer settings are too stringent - but we're in the middle of a heavy spam wave at the moment, so they need to stay they way they are right now.

Anybody with an account here can get in touch with me by clicking on the "send me an email" link on my User page, and filling in the form on that page. I get to see your email address if you do that, though. --Robkelk (talk) 16:42, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Deleting agentunawares page
Agentunawares created a page that needs to be deleted. The artist wanted to create a category and ended up making this page instead. Honest mistake. I can't count the number of times I have done the same thing. Thanks --Dollygirl (talk) 23:31, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I can delete the page, or I can move it to become the first draft of Agentunawares' User page. @Agentunawares, which would you like me to do? --Robkelk (talk) 01:21, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Why not external links to images?
I could not find this anywhere, though I assumed it is due to the reasons here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgAllowExternalImages#Why_disallow_external_images?

Are those the reasons? If so, another option could be for users to more easily submit a freebie by just posting a freebie link and image link they approve for the Wiki to use? ...and since I try not to recommend without doing some legwork on how it could be done, maybe a simple forum (that is easy to sign up) and allows user to post freebie link, image link, their consent to use it and statement they are the creator/owner. (like this example: http://3doutlaw.freeforums.net/)


 * Honestly, we do it that way because it's always been done that way... but that isn't a good excuse, let alone a reason. I'll have to check with the wiki hosting provider to see whether we can change it. --Robkelk (talk) 17:00, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Ever look into this? I was just thinking about it? --3doutlaw (talk) 00:49, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, things got hectic in Real Life and I haven't had a chance to follow up on it. --Robkelk (talk) 00:51, 7 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Being able to display external images is discouraged, because in the past it's been used to display spam. I can't really argue with that... --Robkelk (talk) 16:51, 12 March 2018 (UTC)


 * I guess I can understand that, but since you have controls on who can create, seems like you can control the "bad guys". Post Spam and you are out!   :)   Won't stop me from helping, but I rarely come here for freebies, 'cause I can't browse like I can everywhere else. --3doutlaw (talk) 14:01, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
 * An interesting comment about not browsing here at the site. My question would be what would you have to have to browse here. I have been thinking a picture gallery structure would be nice I know that some peiple would rather "see" the product. Maybe we could try and put together a picture page of a page say like the Animals or a wardrobe page or something that is mostly pages. The picture page would be set up that when you click on an image you go to that page. What do you think. --Dollygirl (talk) 16:18, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I tried that years ago - it never caught on. Deco, Decoco, and Maybe is the example page. (It's also an example of spam in images - the thumbnail for Deco still shows text-spam for a company named DECO instead of showing the thumbnail for the Deco figure. I have tried repairing this many times.) But I'm willing to try again. --Robkelk (talk) 21:11, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
 * And right after I posted that, I figured out how to fix the thumbnail, so it isn't an example any more. --Robkelk (talk) 21:19, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Whoops! I was not saying to use creator images but to use our own, that way no problem with copyrights, spam or anything. Maybe different sizes but I figured out how to make them all the same size in a gallery format. Was thinking of putting a set of images across the top of a page like figures or animals that reflected some of the items listed on the page but could make it a complete gallery of that page. Would take some time to gen up all of the images. Do you want me to try and do the animals page? --Dollygirl (talk) 00:19, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Sure, why not? If we decide we don't want to keep doing pages like this, then we can use your new images on the items' pages. --Robkelk (talk) 15:01, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
 * For browsing, I was thinking of a quickly scrollable table like this: https://poserdazfreebies.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=User:3doutlaw/sandbox  ...but with 10000 items, I thinking of two options (1) link to external images, or (2) uploading a 2x size thumbnail from the freebie.  Maybe the latter would be better, as long as the freebies terms did not disallow it? --3doutlaw (talk) 21:27, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Ah, yes... We used to have tables on some index pages, but I was out-voted on keeping them. Maybe it's time for another straw poll? --Robkelk (talk) 21:32, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
 * My reason for discouraging the proposed table format is that you have to manually change information in the table verses having to make one change and that gets pushed out to all referencing pages. If we keep the concept of having a page for each item and then use the categories as the set of keys then if one day there is only one keeper that person does not have to make thousands of changes to update one item. I have been doing some researching on trying to use the dynamic category function to create something along this concept. I will keep you posted. --Dollygirl (talk) 18:48, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
 * (1) OK, not sure I understand the one change thing, but I am a noob :)  What about this part though? -> Uploading a 2x size thumbnail from the actual freebie, as long as the freebies terms did not disallow it? (example here: https://poserdazfreebies.miraheze.org/wiki/Palestine_Dress_G8F) --3doutlaw (talk) 21:06, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Oh, we can definitely do that! I've done it here: File:Becky Outfit.jpg. --Robkelk (talk) 01:44, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
 * (2) The dynamic stuff looks like a good option! I saw a dynamic add-on example here (http://followthescore.org/dpldemo/index.php?title=Example_2) that was able to "suck in" page information into a similar tabular format.  Cool stuff!  :) --3doutlaw (talk) 21:27, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
 * (3)Yup that is what I mean. I think it works on paragraph tags. Which we would put in the freebie box to identify what items go into the table. Then all an admin would have to do for up keep is work on the product pages and not have to worry about making sure other pages with tables, lists, galleries are correct and current. I see the product pages as being the foundation and that the wiki is a structure that sits on top of this data and provides the functions we have configured for it. If you set up the foundation to be a set of unique items (ie pages) that you pull the data from you have then controlled the amount of effort it will take to keep the site going. At 10,000 pages that is a lot of work. Your effectiveness and accuracy becomes impacted and then no one will use the site because it is no longer reliable. Just my two cents. This is Rob's show. What he wants goes. --Dollygirl (talk) 16:20, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

I am confused about the A2 Jacket
Is this the same jacket as this: https://www.sharecg.com/v/90582/browse/21/DAZ-Studio/A2-Jacket-for-G1M. I ask because the link listed on the page is dead. --Dollygirl (talk) 14:57, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I think they're different jackets from different creators. But one never knows when they're on different sites... --Robkelk (talk) 15:08, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Well guy91600 has the link you have listed on the page here in his description. So I was wondering if guy91600 used the base as listed on your page to make the genesis 1 garment. If so, that is the only source we have of the object file. Because Versatile Peter no longer has a gallery at sharecg. --Dollygirl (talk) 15:52, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
 * In that case, let's update the existing page rather than creating a new one. --Robkelk (talk) 13:23, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
 * More confusion - guy91600 has deleted his A2 jacket, but Versatile Peter has uploaded his (probably improved) again ... fun. I am correcting the link and deleting guy91600 from the creators, but I don't know the shortcut for "Limited use with credits" for the sharecg license. --Kerya (talk) 23 February 2018
 * And thanks. --Robkelk (talk) 14:13, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Corrected. --Kerya (talk) 24 February 2018

10,000 content pages!
We're getting into the big leagues now, with out 10,000th content page. Thank you to Dollygirl for creating the page!

If you're curious... here it is.

--Robkelk (talk) 23:10, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

I have found an extension that will let us use selection boxes to set up the category search
I found this extension, Multi-Category Search: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Multi-Category_Search that looks like what I was talking about for our users to look for intersecting categories. What do you think? Could we use this? --Dollygirl (talk) 18:54, 28 March 2018 (UTC)


 * I'll have to ask, and the folks at Miraheze will have to make sure there aren't any security holes in the extension. This will take a while... --Robkelk (talk) 01:43, 29 March 2018 (UTC)


 * It has been under security review since April 2016. I'll ask whether this can be sped up, but don't hold your breath... --Robkelk (talk) 16:07, 29 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Great things come with waiting. Thank you for looking into it. I think it will be a nice feature if it gets approved. Gives people an additional way to find things. So do you know how many people come to visit the site? Have you had any feedback from users? Is there a wish list? Just curious. --Dollygirl (talk) 16:25, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

(Blog) It's taken three and a half years to get to this point
The wiki has finally reached the point where I don't have time to personally review every single change made to it.

This is a good thing - it means that there are enough people taking part in the editing that the wiki will continue on if I take a vacation or am otherwise unable to check in every day.

I'm also seeing the wiki's pages turning up at or near the top of some web searches, including in DuckDuckGo which doesn't customize search results the way that Google does. We're becoming a trusted source of information, as well as a healthy wiki.

The wiki is doing well. :)

--Robkelk (talk) 19:03, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
 * So are you thinking you need to expand the duties to others? Or is my messing around in the Animals page causing some issues and I have caused an emotional response? I don't mean to cause harm or distress. Just read the intro to the page and said well now that every product has a page let's see what the page should look like with just categories and stuff not quite done yet.
 * In the end, this is your baby. I love that you have dedicated your time and knowledge to lead us to where we are. I thank you for that time and knowledge and I congratulate you on the success.
 * If your thinking is more about my first question then I have this to say. My husband and I were talking about 3Doutlaw's suggestions for using the site, the table thing. During that discussion he suggested that the wiki might need a set of people that become the keepers of the vision of the wiki. They take the suggestions made and determine if it meets the goals and vision of the site. If the suggestion does, then they hand it off to the group that goes out and finds ways to implement the change. The group or groups would work in an area that would not impact the current structure of the wiki. They would test out their solution on the keepers and if it works then push it out for production. This is just thoughts. Not saying you have to do it this way or anything.

--Dollygirl (talk) 21:23, 14 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Your "messing around in the Animals page" is not causing any problems at all.
 * As for the rest of your questions... let me think on things, please.
 * --Robkelk (talk) 01:41, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Still thinking. Right now, the next step up from "rollbacker" (who has the ability to undo an edit) is "administrator". Do we want a role between the two? Is it technically possible to put a role between the two? --Robkelk (talk) 22:58, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Can't answer the question of between rollbacker and administrator. What is it that you see this person doing for the site? Right now we really don't have roles defined per say. You ramrod the site, Kerya adds the current new stuff and you and I are making pages. Other people add things that are their's or things they know are missing. Never have really used the rollback function at least not on purpose anyway. Accidently once or twice and then I decided I would never touch that link again. To scary.
 * It might be that all you really need to do is say okay these are my needed roles and their responsibilites and then ask us if we would volunteer and to pick the job we would like to do. Based upon what the role is, then you assign the appropriate authority for that role. It is tough to be a boss on this type of project. We are volunteers and have no vested interest in making sure the site is successful. Not saying that compensation is required, but knowing the people who are doing the work is hard to do through the internet and getting to a level of trust is difficult to do.--Dollygirl (talk) 04:53, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
 * You're completely right. We're all doing what we do well; why mess with a good thing by bureaucratizing it? --Robkelk (talk) 13:34, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

Would somebody be kind enough to fill in some of the question marks in this new section, please?
File Formats is a list of file formats, and whether they can be used in Poser or Daz Studio. I don't have all the information needed, though. If anybody can replace a question mark with a yes, a no, or whatever, please do! --Robkelk (talk) 22:55, 6 May 2018 (UTC)